Agner`s CPU blog

Software optimization resources | E-mail subscription to this blog | www.agner.org

Do we need instructions with two outputs?
Author:  Date: 2016-04-03 16:51
Joe Duarte wrote:

Since it's a program's exclusive virtual memory space,
a universe of our own, why can't we use arbitrary and
much, much smaller addresses?

Agner replied:

My priority is the performance of big systems. That's
why I have 64-bit address space. All addresses are
relative to some pointer (instruction pointer, data
section pointer, stack pointer, or an arbitrary
pointer) with a signed offset of 8 bits or 32 bits.
The instruction size will not be reduced by having a
smaller address space, but of course we could save
some stack space by having a 32-bit mode. I don't like
having two different modes, though. Then we would have
problems with stack alignment for doubles, etc. Byte
code languages can have their own smaller address
space of course.

I just don't like all the waste with 64-bit types and pointers. It becomes less of an issue over time, but it still bothers me. Relatedly, I like what these Berkeley people did with Precimonious, a tool that tunes floating point precision and eliminates some of the waste: www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rubio/includes/sc13.pdf

Question: Does an ISA really need to specify the number of architectural registers? What would the implications be of not doing so, and having an infinite number of architectural registers like LLVM's IR? It seems like the number of registers is a fiction anyway (I was stunned to discover that x86-64 processors from Intel and AMD have nearly 200 physical registers.) This would make the number of registers implementation-dependent, rather than part of the ISA specification. See Vikram Adve's recent talk at Microsoft: research.microsoft.com/apps/video/default.aspx?id=249344 (The Microsoft Research people must have been having a bad day or something – their questions and comments reveal that they thoroughly misunderstood his ideas.)

Question 2: Let's assume that we have registers R0 - R31. Might it be useful to also have an unspecified register – call it Rx – that basically tells the CPU "give me whatever register you have – I don't care which one". I can imagine some scenarios where this might be useful for a compiler. And it seems to fit with the reality of register renaming anyway.

 
thread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2015-12-27
replythread Itanium new - Ethan - 2015-12-28
last reply Itanium new - Agner - 2015-12-28
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - hagbardCeline - 2015-12-28
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2015-12-28
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-04
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-04
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-04
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-04
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-05
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - John D. McCalpin - 2016-01-05
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Adrian Bocaniciu - 2016-01-06
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Ook - 2016-01-05
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - acppcoder - 2016-03-27
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Jake Stine - 2016-01-11
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-01-12
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Jonathan Morton - 2016-02-02
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-03
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Jonathan Morton - 2016-02-12
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-02-18
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-21
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-02-22
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-23
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-02-23
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-24
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - asdf - 2016-02-24
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-24
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-02-25
replythread limit instruction length to power of 2 new - A-11 - 2016-02-24
last replythread limit instruction length to power of 2 new - Agner - 2016-02-24
replythread Any techniques for more than 2 loads per cycle? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-02-24
last reply Any techniques for more than 2 loads per cycle? new - Agner - 2016-02-25
last replythread limit instruction length to power of 2 new - A-11 - 2016-02-25
last reply limit instruction length to power of 2 new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-02-25
replythread More ideas new - Agner - 2016-03-04
replythread More ideas new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-07
last reply More ideas new - Agner - 2016-03-08
last reply More ideas new - Agner - 2016-03-09
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Joe Duarte - 2016-03-07
reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-03-08
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-08
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Joe Duarte - 2016-03-09
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-03-10
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-11
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-03-11
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - anon2718 - 2016-03-13
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-03-14
replythread A design without a TLB new - Agner - 2016-03-11
replythread A design without a TLB new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-11
reply A design without a TLB new - Agner - 2016-03-11
last reply A design without a TLB new - Agner - 2016-03-12
reply A design without a TLB new - Bigos - 2016-03-13
last reply A design without a TLB new - Agner - 2016-03-28
replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-22
last replythread Proposal now published new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-23
last replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-24
last replythread Proposal now published new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-24
last replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-24
last replythread Proposal now published new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-24
last replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-25
last replythread Proposal now published new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-28
last replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-29
last replythread Proposal now published new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-03-30
last replythread Proposal now published new - Agner - 2016-03-30
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-03-31
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-01
reply Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-04-01
replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Joe Duarte - 2016-04-02
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-04-02
last reply Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Joe Duarte - 2016-04-02
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-04-02
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-02
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-04-03
reply Do we need instructions with two outputs? - Joe Duarte - 2016-04-03
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-03
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Agner - 2016-04-04
reply Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-04
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Joe Duarte - 2016-04-06
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-07
last replythread Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - HarryDev - 2016-04-08
last reply Do we need instructions with two outputs? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-09
replythread How about stack machine ISA? new - A-11 - 2016-04-10
last replythread treating stack ISA as CISC architecure new - A-11 - 2016-04-14
last replythread treating stack ISA as CISC architecure new - Agner - 2016-04-14
last replythread treating stack ISA as CISC architecure new - A-11 - 2016-04-17
replythread treating stack ISA as CISC architecure new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-17
last replythread stack ISA versus long vectors new - Agner - 2016-04-18
last replythread stack ISA versus long vectors new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-19
last reply stack ISA versus long vectors new - Agner - 2016-04-20
last reply treating stack ISA as CISC architecure new - A-11 - 2016-04-18
replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - zboson - 2016-04-11
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-04-11
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-11
last replythread Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Agner - 2016-04-12
last reply Proposal for an ideal extensible instruction set new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-04-12
replythread Version 1.01 new - Agner - 2016-05-10
last replythread Version 1.01 new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-05-13
last replythread Version 1.01 new - Agner - 2016-05-14
last replythread Version 1.01 new - Harry - 2016-06-02
replythread Public repository new - Agner - 2016-06-02
reply Public repository new - Harry - 2016-06-02
last reply Public repository new - Harry - 2016-06-02
last reply Public repository new - Agner - 2016-06-09
replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-05-20
replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - cv - 2016-05-20
last reply Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-05-20
replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Peter Cordes - 2016-05-30
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-05-30
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Joe Duarte - 2016-06-17
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-06-18
last reply Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Bigos - 2016-06-18
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Freddie Witherden - 2016-06-02
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-06-04
last replythread Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Freddie Witherden - 2016-06-04
last reply Rethinking DLLs and shared objects new - Agner - 2016-06-06
replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Agner - 2016-06-05
reply Is it better to have two stacks? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-06-07
replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Eden Segal - 2016-06-13
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Agner - 2016-06-13
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-06-14
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Agner - 2016-06-14
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-06-15
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Agner - 2016-06-15
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-06-16
last replythread Is it better to have two stacks? new - Agner - 2016-06-16
last reply Is it better to have two stacks? new - Hubert Lamontagne - 2016-06-17
last reply Is it better to have two stacks? new - Freddie Witherden - 2016-06-22
last reply Now on Github new - Agner - 2016-06-26